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Kevin Chang: I think when we
were trying to take a look
at body physiology, getting
you ready for the starting
line, it really came down to
a couple of major systems in
your body that we try to train
to get you at peak performance.
Bertrand Newson: What we'd see
with their athletes is, at least
when they come to us, is the
gap in including that level of
variation, where we typically
see runners when they're
maybe running consistently
or consistent movement.
But having the right workout
in the given timeframe in their
week, that's going to benefit
their overall running capacity.
Kevin Chang: Hello, and
welcome to the RaceMob
podcast, where we're all about
running long, having fun and
making the human connection.
This is episode number 42.
I'm Kevin entrepreneur
technology and fitness nerd.
And I'm joined by the head coach
of RaceMob and master motivator.
The incomparable
Bertrand Newson.
We asked our Facebook community,
what did you want to hear
from Coach "B" and myself?
What were you struggling with?
What are the things that
we could provide to you?
And performance
tips was number one.
So we went back, we had a
quick discussion that turned
into a two, our discussion,
a three-hour discussion.
We said, man, there's so many
things, there's so many things
that we've learned over the
decades that we've been running.
Everything that we've picked up
that we could tell you about.
And so what we wanted to
do was really, reduce it
down to the most important
things that will help you.
And there's going to
be several follow on
episodes to this as well.
So at a very, very high level,
when we talk about performance
and helping you hit a new
PR, what we want to do is
make sure that we understand
what distance that
PR should be at.
Is that the 5k distance is that
the 10 K half marathon marathon
and where you are today because,
at the end of the day, it is
really The weakest link in
your armor, that is going to be
the thing that takes you down.
So, what we're going to do
today is really talk about
your body physiology, how we
incorporate training to help
you improve those weakest
links at a very high level.
And if I pull back the curtain
a little bit, there are many,
many different things that
will help you reach a new
PRs on race day one, and most
important is your physiology.
What we've done training-wise
to get you ready for
the starting line.
That's probably the most
important piece, but the other
pieces to it are the mental
aspect, the mental mindset,
your plan going into race day,
how you're planning your paces
and your distances as well as.
You know, have you built the
toolkit in order to really
push during those last miles?
So that's something that I
think we'll talk about at
another point in time, right?
Coach?
Yeah.
Bertrand Newso: Yes, absolutely.
Kevin Chang: Another thing is
around nutrition, hydration
your strategy on race day.
Have you really dialed that
in another item is gear
and a final item is those
external factors, right?
What's the temperature
on race day?
What's the humidity on race day.
What's the course elevation.
What are the other things that
are happening on race day that
may impact you hitting a new PR?
So all of those things, I
think we will get to at a
future episode, but today,
in particular, we wanted
to talk about physiology
and your training, getting
you to the starting line.
I think when we were trying
to take a look at body
physiology, getting you ready
for the starting line, it
really came down to a couple
of major systems in your
body that we try to train to
get you at peak performance.
One of them is your
cardiovascular system.
So that is, you know,
your heart, your lungs,
your blood, basically the
transport chain there.
And that's usually what we are
really working on during most
of our training cycles, So it's
that cardiovascular system.
Then it's muscular composition.
So that's fast-twitch
muscles, slow-twitch muscles.
That's plyometrics.
Your muscular composition.
Then it's body composition,
your fat versus lean
muscle mass, right?
That impacts your
performance on race date.
Then it's flexibility
and pliability.
Are you flexible enough?
A lot of that plays into running
form, which again is another
episode that we will get into.
Are you at efficient
running form?
Right?
And then the final one is
around energy utilization.
So there is a whole
transport chain within your
body that allows you to
utilize energy effectively.
That's the glycogen
in your muscles.
Are you fat-adapted?
This goes into
fueling your body.
The nutrition that you're
putting into your body
are you training your body
for those race distances.
So at a very high level, that is
a lot of what we're looking at.
And that's a lot of what we're
looking at today is how do
we train our body to be ready
for the starting line to be
able to hit those new PRs?
So Coach, maybe you can help us
break down the cardiovascular
system a little bit.
But basically as a coach,
we are trying to train
that cardiovascular system
so that the athletes
are ready for race day.
Bertrand Newson: Yes.
Well said KC, and at its
core, we're looking to build
endurance, and endurance
has not built overnight.
Endurance is built over time.
So we look at building
the cardiovascular system.
We're looking at base-level
training, meaning long or
slower runs, getting the
body adapted to running
for longer periods of time.
from a coaching perspective,
that's what I'm generally doing,
looking and assessing what the
athlete's current fitness level
is, what may be their base
long run distances, and then
working forward off of that
building again, a sustainable
base with some progressive,
gradually picking up the
distance over a training cycle.
A training cycle
may be three months.
It may be four months.
But also again, taking into
consideration currently where
the athletes, maybe weekly
mileage is their current max
long run distance, establishing
what their conversation paces.
And those are all key components
when you're looking at
understanding the athletes,
cardiovascular health.
And really in relation to what
you touched on earlier, Casey
is what are we training for?
What is the distance?
What's the task at hand?
Is it a 5k distance, 10 K
half marathon, or marathon
that also dictates on what
the mileage prescribed workout
weekly module is going to be?
And then we kind of
can build from there.
But in layman's terms, longer
slower runs building a nice
cardio base, and then from
there, we can add on different
types of exercises, different
types of workouts that are
modifying the intensity and
impacting different types of
energy systems within the body.
Kevin Chang: I think you bring
up a good point, which is.
We need to take a look at
the athletes and the race
and figure out what is the
weakest link, what is bringing
that athlete potentially
down at that distance?
Right?
So if the athlete is already
at their maximum endurance or
already at their maximum length,
so they can't run any further
than a 10 K where they can't
run any further than a marathon,
that is their maximum distance
than really endurance is the
thing that is going to prevent
them from running faster.
And so what you're really
taking a look at when you
look at like building a
base, first you're looking
at mitochondrial density, you
know, you're looking at bone
density and other things,
but it's really can that
athlete run that distance?
You know, at even a
slow pace, can they run
that distance, right?
And so if you look at
professional athletes who
are running a potentially
a marathon, they can run
much, much further than the
marathon distance, right.
They can have long runs
that are 30 miles, 40
miles, 50 miles easily.
And so what is bringing
them down at that point in
time is probably the things
that you're training for in
the stamina realm, right?
So you're looking at
lactic acid thresholds.
You're looking at other things
in maybe the cardiovascular
system other things as well
that you are planning for it.
In your training.
So endurance, that is the base.
And when you look at
periodization of the body
and how long it takes for the
body to adapt to long runs
and, you know, endurance and
aerobic kind of stimulus,
it takes a long time.
And that's why at the beginning
of every training plan, you're
usually building that base.
You're taking a look
at those long runs.
How long can we extend it?
How long can we build it out?
But we also are taking a
look at other types of runs
during a training plan, right.
We're taking a look at
other types of workouts
during a training plan.
So talk to us a little bit
about threshold runs, anaerobic
runs, why we mix them in how
they benefit the end-user.
Bertrand Newson: Very
good question, KC.
So as we're looking at the
training pyramid or training
cycle, the base of that training
cycle is longer again, looking
at from a pyramid outline.
We're looking also to
improve the cardio endurance,
meaning what are we doing
to pick up intensity?
Maybe the focus is not so
much on duration, it's more on
intensity and we're increasing
maybe the pace or meaning
higher intensity, or if we're
doing some type of hill work,
increasing intensity as well.
Those challenge, the
cardiovascular system.
Those stimulate growth
in cardiovascular system.
Those will expand capacity,
lung capacity, meaning you are
able to run at a faster pace
for longer period of time.
When your cardiovascular
system is being challenged with
different types of workouts,
temple runs, interval runs,
lacked at threshold runs.
Things along those lines where
you're running a little bit
out of your comfort zone,
challenging yourself, and
giving a little bit of time to
recover and see where the growth
is happening, which stacking
on top of building that base.
Kevin Chang: I think
that's a great, good point.
So I think, you know, a long
endurance base is usually
the thing that people are
lacking or missing the most.
You know, that's the thing
that we help, beginner athletes
is how you build your base.
How do you build the
length of your run, have
you have more endurance.
But for those that already have
the endurance at the distance,
that they are targeting to hit
a new PR, what are we doing in
order to help those folks out?
And I think one of the big
things a lot of them don't
have structure their workouts.
And so giving them these
structured workouts, I think
help target different areas.
That may be, the weakest
link of their chain, right?
Whether that be VO2 max
or whether that be some
anaerobic workouts.
That will both help them improve
efficiency in terms of energy
utilization, improve their lung
capacity, improve the size of
their heart, the amount of blood
that they can pump through.
Reducing that BPM, the beats
per minute of their heart, the
resting heart rate as well.
So there are a number of things,
and the cardiovascular system
that we are taking a look at
for those specific athletes.
And I think in general, what
we're looking at is during
their goal race at their
goal pace, which part of
the chain is breaking down.
Is it that their muscles are
on fire because there's so
much lactic buildup, and so we
need to do more threshold runs.
What we want to do during
those threshold runs is
not increased the pace, but
increase the duration at
those higher intensity runs.
So is not really doing
something that's three
minutes, five minutes, but
doing something that's 10
minutes, 20 minutes at a bit
of an increased effort, and
see, can I maintain this pace
for a longer period of time?
So that is really like
how you would improve your
threshold, distance running.
And then speed work, which
I think people are missing
out on a lot of speed work.
Sometimes it's the variety
of the speed works.
Sometimes it's the intensity
or, or the way that
they do the speed work.
But, you know, I know Coach
you're big on speed work and
different types of speed bursts
sometimes in training, sometimes
different types of Strides
is sometimes it's 50 meters.
Sometimes it's a hundred meters.
Sometimes you need that mental,
ability to push through.
And that leads to,
mental mindset.
But talk to us a little bit
about the different types
of speed work that you
incorporate for your athletes.
Bertrand Newson: What we'd see
with their athletes is, at least
when they come to us, is the
gap in including that level of
variation, where we typically
see runners when they're
maybe running consistently
or consistent movement.
But having the right workout
in the given timeframe in their
week, that's going to benefit
their overall running capacity.
So speed work to be
specific speed play.
We've thrown that term
around in general.
It's speed play.
And you can have
some fun with this.
That's one thing which people
don't generally associate
speed, work, and fun.
It can happen and it can
happen, but it would fartlek.
So an example of
a fartlek workout.
If you're running on a trail
or running on the street
and you encounter traffic
lights or fire hydrants.
You can alternate meaning at you
pick that visual landmark and
you are at a cash we'll paste
you the next visual landmark,
whether it be a traffic light,
you pick up the pace between
segment to segment, meeting,
running faster, next, visual
landmark you pull it back.
So that way you're stimulating
the body on picking up speed.
It's going to challenge
your cardiovascular system.
Expand your lung capacity.
Forced the body's ability
to manage lactic had acid,
maybe the onset of it longer,
or you want to be able to
kind of get that out of your
system, so you delaying the
onset of it, and allowing for
a period of recovery, which
is important with fartlek.
Another example of an attract
setting is doing some strides.
Kevin, we talked about
this on a previous episode,
and what is a stride?
A stride does not mean
that at once you heard
the whistle go off or you
start that you're going
right from start to sprint.
It's a gradual progression,
which we also call negative
split effort, which is very,
very key with our athletes.
Training a negative
split perspective.
So we'll take you through,
they're like a hundred-meter
stride starting off
maybe at 50% of effort,
gradually easing into it.
And as we get to that halfway
point, maybe 50 meters on
the track, thereabouts,
you're starting to pick up
60%, 65%, 70%, and maybe
peaking out at 85% of effort.
As you get to that hundred-meter
Mark and maybe 60 seconds
of rest and recovery, and
then repeat that maybe
upwards five to 10 times.
That's a nice way to kind
of warm-up up and get some
speed work in without too
much intensity too soon.
And this is something that we
see athletes who are just mixing
in speed work is not knowing
the proper amount and doing
too much intensity too soon.
In some cases, realizing
some short-term benefits,
but if you do too much speed
work too soon, you could
end up getting injured.
So we've seen examples of that.
So really important.
Everybody on your speed days
get into your dynamic warmup
exercises is very important.
You know, get the
body loose and warm.
We can talk more about what some
of those exercises look like.
But what we're saying not to
do is to go from home to track
and get right into the workout
that it's critical especially
on speed workout days to get
a nice warmup, which also
includes probably a half-mile
warmup jog at conversation pace.
What is conversation pace?
If you can maintain a
conversation with yourself, or
if you have a running buddy,
then you a conversation pace.
If you cannot utter a
word, if you feel you're
laboring, then slow down.
Okay.
That is conversation pace.
Conversation pace is going to
be key, and you understanding
that as part of your running
journey because it's going to
be a core of where a lot of
your miles are going to be at
that pace as it allows you to
sustain your endurance longer.
We're a lot of positive
running benefits happen while
you are at conversation pace.
But we can give some
more examples, KC of, of
speed work if you like.
Kevin Chang: I like what you
mentioned, you know, we have
a lot of speed work workouts
online, or you can find them
on either the RaceMob website
or on the Too Legit Facebook
page, we have speed work.
Every Wednesday, that Coach
runs the Hammertime workouts.
I like what you
mentioned about strides.
I think the huge benefit of
around strides is that you
actually activate your muscles
when you're accelerating, right?
So that's the thing that
people forget when you're at a
constant velocity at a constant
pace that oftentimes is due
to the springiness of your
ligaments and your tendons.
But you're actually
activating your muscles
when you're accelerating
when you're going faster.
So that's what really was
strides are doing when
you're going from a slow
acceleration throughout that
a hundred meters, you are
activating your muscles.
You are having to push your
body at a faster pace, you know.
Force is mass
times acceleration.
So we're talking about
accelerating throughout that
entire a hundred meters, and
you are actually producing
more force against the
ground and against your body.
So I love the inclusion of
strides and making sure that
that's part of speed work.
Bertrand Newson: And at that
distance, you can do strides at,
you know, 25 meters, 50 meters.
But if you're doing it
at a hundred meters, you
have more time to gear
up to higher intensity.
The last third of that effort.
And when you're running
faster, it automatically
improves your running economy.
You have increased turnover.
I E cadence.
And it's very tough
to heel strike when
you're running faster.
And it's very tough in many
cases to overstride when
you have you're running
at it effort as well.
So when you're running faster,
I sprint works 50-meter
sprints, a hundred-meter
sprints, 200-meter sprints,
they're good ways to naturally
have the body auto-correct
in regards to running form
arm swing, tight middle
torso, a good leg turnover.
All are good traits
in helping your longer
distance running form from
an efficiency perspective.
So that's another good benefit
by doing speed work is it
helps your running economy and.
Your steroid, et cetera.
Yeah.
Kevin Chang: And what I want
to get back to is everybody
has these concepts, right?
Like if you take a look at
McMillan running, if you take a
look at Maffetone, if you take a
look at Jack Daniels, everybody
has this concept of easy runs
of, threshold or stamina-based
runs, of speed runs and then of,
this burst sprint runs, right?
So whether you're taking a look
at a training pace calculator,
and you're taking a look at,
okay, what is my marathon speed
versus my 10 K speed versus 5k
speed versus all-out sprint.
Or you're taking a look
at a mathaton chart where
you're looking at heart rate.
What's my low heart rate,
what's my maximum heart rates.
Everybody has this concept
for endurance runners.
And so we can say, Hey, this
is what you absolutely need
to do, but it's different for
every single runner, right?
The thing that is going
to break down for them is
different and it's different
for every single distance.
So we go back to, Hey, is
endurance the thing that's
going to break down for you?
Is it lactic acid
threshold that's going
to break down for you?
Is it that VO2 max.
For that, Billy too.
Hey, I'm breathing hard.
But it seems like my body
is not able to produce
any energy, right.
It's like, I know we've
all been there where
it's like, I'm breathing.
I know I'm breathing, but
I just can't utilize the
oxygen that's in my system.
And very seldom are we
really able to get into that
cardiovascular and aerobic zone?
Most of us aren't sprinters, but
some of the more elite people,
you can really do those five Ks.
And Hey, those last like five,
10 minutes, you can do it almost
at a -panting noises- you know,
you're breathing really, really
hard, you're getting the maximum
out of, out of everything.
So really what we're
taking a look at is we
have to take a look at you.
The athlete, we have to
take a look at the distance
that you're trying to run.
We have to take a
look at what is it.
That is your weakest link.
What is it that is bringing
you potentially down?
Most of the time, we're going
to work on the endurance
piece of it because, slower
training, we're able to build
up mitochondrial density.
We're able to build
up energy efficiency.
We're able to build up
a lot of those things.
But individually, you know, we
all have different weaknesses.
And so when we understand,
and we can take a look at
your workouts and what you're
struggling at at a specific
pace, and we can take a look
at your perceived effort,
then, that's where some of
the magic of being able to.
Have a training plan that is
going to get you to the starting
line in peak performance.
That's where some of
that magic comes in.
So I guess we've probably
beat this cardiovascular...
Bertrand Newson: It's key.
It's key, it's critical.
And again, the body's ability
to navigate lactic acid, okay.
When are we still,
we feel that burn.
We feel the heaviness
of legs, you know there
are workouts that we...
we've spoken about.
That can delay that or the
body's ability to navigate
when we feel it coming on.
And then there's a mental
toughness component as well.
Some cases it is again, just
slowing down, slowing down, and
having a nice sustained effort.
And too many times runners
find themselves running in
that kind of middle zone where
you're not running too slow and
you're not running too fast.
And sometimes that's
no man's land.
We'd rather be fast, no
hard days hard, maybe you
have a speed day or day when
you're looking to push pace
and you want the body to
be rested enough where you
can go and get into that
higher intensity effort.
And on slower days, quite
the contrary, you want to
be able to cruise and cruise
longer and feel comfortable
where it almost that you can
get to it, this endpoint.
And then when it comes to
the combination of your hard
days hard and your easy days
when you're ready for that
threshold run or tempo run
or interval run the VO2 max
test, a time trial that you
can draw on both the heart day
and the speed day to really
get you through that effort.
All that again is leading
up to what we talked about
in the beginning, what
is your goal distance?
If you're training for that
race day, a race 5k, these
workouts will get you ready
for that day and being
able to, give feedback.
So when you have a coach or
a community where you can
bounce off days that maybe
didn't go as you anticipated.
I'll use an example, had
an athlete, whose workout
I saw come through.
It was a 5k Coach prescribed,
a 5k at, conversation pace, and
the athlete knocked out the 5k.
But like, Coach, it was hard.
I had to stop twice, you
know, I had to take two
breaks and I looked at the
net pace and like, Whoa, wow.
That's not conversation.
Pace.
Because that pace going
back when the athletes start
first, working with us was
almost a minute faster than
that, what their max was.
So they've made some fantastic
gains, but they probably
ran that 5k at a harder
than 5k pace in their body
was pushing back on them.
I think the day before they run
a 12 mile or so at face value
bet was a fantastic effort.
But again, conversation
pace was prescribed for
a reason, easier effort.
And sometimes we
get into a zone.
If we come off of a great
middle distance run,
we feel the progress.
We're like, yes, all this
hard work is paying off.
I'm going to go ahead.
And that same effort
into the next workout.
Sometimes I'm gonna say
timeout all in time.
And that's where having a
coach and a plan where each
workout has its own role in
the puzzle of getting you
ready for a bigger picture.
And if you start to
self-correct and I can
bend my speed day pace.
When I'm running in eight 30.
So I was able to run
eight 30 miss speed day.
Can I do that on my
middle distance day?
Can I do that on my
conversation pace day?
From a coach's perspective,
your body's going to also let
you know that I've run at a
pace that's too fast and your
body's in some cases, going
to start to push back on you.
It also makes you a bit more
prone for injury as well.
So again, when conversation
pace is prescribed easier
day when a speed day you're
going at those with a higher
intensity, the combination
between the two really sets
you up for the bigger picture.
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Love it.
Yeah.
And you know, having a coach
that can actually take a look
at your workouts actually
prescribe you workouts, and
knows the bigger picture, right?
Because at the end of the
day, as athletes, all this
planning, all this, figuring
this stuff out, what's gonna
work, what isn't gonna work.
It takes a lot of energy
effort, all of that, and
you know, thankfully Coach,
you've done this for athletes,
you have plans out there.
So, having those prescribed
plans, I think helps
tremendously having that
structure helps tremendously,
but you got to put in the work.
Like at the end of the day,
we can say, Hey, this is the
best scientific plan for you.
This is what we, blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah.
If you don't put in the actual
work, the actual effort, you're
never going to get faster.
That's right.
We got a very, in the intensity,
we got to figure out what's.
It's going to benefit
you the best on race day.
We gotta make the most
out of the time because
we know like how long it
takes for the body to adapt
how you give a stimulus.
How long are those periods?
What is the the
periodization strategy?
How do we get you in the best
shape possible for race day?
But you gotta put in the
work and you gotta do it
at the prescribed efforts.
Cause otherwise, you
may be putting yourself
at risk for injury.
You may be inadvertently
not again, hitting
your endurance pace.
And going a little bit too fast.
So do it at the effort
that the Coach prescribes.
Bertrand Newson: Fantastic.
What's the the opposite of that?
For one, If you don't put
in the work, it can have
some adverse effects.
On the flip side,
putting in too much work.
You know, we applaud those
athletes that are wired to
the point where, you know it,
Coach, I just want one-off day.
I want, I want six days of
activity, like, Oh, okay.
Maybe we'll go ahead and factor
in one complete off day, then
maybe an active recovery day.
And we can talk about
some examples of that.
In the future, you know,
generally like, you know,
two days off, but I do
have some athletes that are
one day off, or maybe it
is six days of workouts.
They make consistent of
running cross-training,
some strength exercise, and
they're stretching yoga.
It's a nice little medley
variation, which is good for
the body overall, especially
the stretching component.
Yoga yoga's good for the body,
but it's also good for the
mind is welcomed the mind.
Some opportunity to rest.
But seven days a week, if
there's an active recovery
day, there's certain athletes
are able to pull that off in
maintain that fine line and not
putting themselves over into
the red zone where they're more
prone for injury, but sometimes
injury does happen in the best
way to offset that is to have
structured off days things you
can do that don't have a lot of
repetitive movement, you know.
Is that meaning
an exercise bike?
Doesn't mean, as we
talked about yoga?
And then another variation,
which really helps the total
body and core, and Kevin used
preached this religiously
is the incorporation
of sprint training.
There were a game-changer that
can be so rest very important.
You know, we don't want to
kind of gloss over that: rest
days are incredibly important.
Rest, meaning minimal exercise
or, minimum impact, but also
rest as it relates to sleep.
The body tends to recover
most when we are sleeping.
And what's happening when we're
running, we're getting tears in
the muscle and the body needs
time to repair those tears,
whether it'd be running, or
what's drink exercise, and that
happens at a state of rest.
Kevin Chang: We're not only
getting tears in the muscle.
I mean, what we are doing is
you're getting micro-tears
in your tendons, in your
ligaments, you are impacting
your bones and, you know, bone
density increases over time.
But if you're not careful,
you can very easily
get stress fractures.
That happened from
repetitive use.
So really the rest
is critically,
critically important.
The not overdoing it
and not doing too much
too soon is critically,
critically important.
The getting enough sleep because
it's not just rest and recovery,
it is sleep, you know, your body
repairs itself the most winter
in a deep, deep state of sleep.
And so there's all sorts
of, you know, books on, and
supplements and other stuff
on getting sleep and the
importance of sleep, but it all
comes down to all these other
factors of the physiology for
getting you ready for race day.
So let's dive into it a
couple of these, I know
we're already getting a
little bit long-winded,
but I know we wanted to.
At least touch on a
couple of these subjects.
And then we'll let's revisit
some later on in our podcast
series because we want
to be able to distill all
this information, all this
knowledge that we've gotten
from our guests, from our
experience down to you guys.
So one of them is around
muscle composition.
And we had this great
conversation with Kevin
Vandy a couple of months
ago, where he talks about
the running blueprint and
he talks a little bit about
muscle composition, we talk a
little bit about fast twitch
muscles, and we talk a little
bit about slow twitch muscles.
Kevin Vandy talks a little
bit about activating certain
muscles, because if you take a
look at running form many times
runners, we're not activating
our posterior chain, we're not
activating our glute muscles
or hamstring muscles, things
along those lines enough.
And as runners, actually,
those muscles are
probably your highest
endurance muscles, right?
Like if you're using
your quads too much, you
actually are probably less
efficient on race day.
So, you know, activating
the right muscles,
training your muscles.
So we talk about strength,
training, heavier loads,
because as runners you're
getting enough endurance out
of your muscles over time.
Jason Fitzgerald
talked about this.
We want heavier loads,
fewer reps really
building up strength.
Maybe it's more
eccentric movements.
So it's a slow three, two,
one descend and a quicker
plyometric pop-up, which w we
want to do is build strength,
not necessarily build size.
Making it so that you are
leaner but stronger, right?
So if you can have a longer
stride length and still
with a good running form,
you're going to run faster.
So strength, and we've seen
that as a game-changer from a
number of different members.
We just had a coaching Q and
a and G . Bud told us about
strength, training, being a
major game-changer for her
not only, you know, running
faster, but also less injury
prone when you incorporate the
strength training in there.
And then kevin Vandy also
talks about alignment.
So alignment of your muscles,
sometimes this is flexibility.
Sometimes this is, you know,
the other stuff that we talked
about with dynamic warmups,
but then also the plyometrics.
So plyometrics, I guess,
is kind of a combination of
muscle activation as well
as the springiness of.,.
Bertrand Newso: Explosive force.
Kevin Chang: Exactly.
Explosive force.
Coach, talk to us a little
bit about how we train
for muscle composition.
We know strength, training,
key key portion of it.
You've also mentioned strides
Kiki portion of training
for muscle composition.
So how do you get your athletes,
to think about getting stronger?
Bertrand Newson: One thing
that we've entered into on
a couple occasions, there
were some challenges, pushup
challenges, upper body core,
planks as well, that work
on some mental toughness and
hanging on into that plank
position, but also directly
benefits the core and a stable
core is also incredibly key.
As it relates to, running
efficiency, running form
bead work certainly is a key
component of that, which we
talked about previously, and
exercises that I like that are
pliable in nature that help the
lower torso, jumps, squats, air
squats, things along those lines
that have a benefit to runners.
Especially if you're looking
to run 10 K and above.
When the legs start to fatigue,
if you're incorporating those
types of exercises, that's
going to benefit you later
on in those efforts as your
competition, who may not be
incorporating any print training
at all, or any plyo work at
all you because you've also
had a running strategy that is
not going to have you running.
Fast from the start.
If you're running a negative,
split up with some layered
in strength training, you're
going to be stronger as
that effort continues and it
will get you to the finish
line before your competition
and closer to your PR goal.
Kevin Chang: Yeah.
You know, we've had a
number of guests talk to
us about different types of
strength training, right?
So even if you don't have
access to a gym, like
ideally, you'd have access
to a gym, ideally, you would
have access to a barbell.
Ideally, you would probably
be doing some compound lifts.
Like squats, heavy, deadlifts,
things that are you going
to, help with major, muscle
groups in your body without
having to, and a ton of
time in the gym, right?
You're just getting stronger
at those different lifts.
But if you don't have access
to plyometric bodyweight
exercises, you're talking
about lunges, lateral lunges
is as well as, you know,
forward-backward lunges.
Those are really going to help
your posterior your change.
You're talking about squats.
Or jump squats.
Those are really the things
from a lower-body perspective
that you are going to help you.
And if you can find something
heavy around your house,
milk jugs or, a broomstick
with other stuff, a spouse, a
partner, a kid, and that you
want to put on your back and
do a couple of squats there
Bertrand Newson: A pet, if
you've got a pet as well.
Kevin Chang: Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
Yeah.
So, these are all things
that can really help you.
In the long run and they
help you build muscle.
And as we talk
about core, right?
You talk about planks.
You talk about upper
body push-ups core
building core strength.
Core is usually one of the
things that actually if
you don't have a strong,
solid core, it's the thing
that will force you to lose
energy over time because of
floppy core means that your
upper body is moving around.
It's not going in
the same direction.
A strong, solid core
will actually help you
run much, much faster.
So doing again, the
planks, doing the pushups,
doing exercises that help
with your hip muscle,
your hip flexors, right?
All of those things are going
to help you tremendously.
So structured strength,
training workouts, and
dynamic flexibility workouts.
So as we talk about
playability, As that other
core portion of the physiology.
So we've talked about
cardiovascular system.
We talked about muscular system.
Let's talk a little bit
about pliability and the
importance of dynamic, warmups
of yoga, of other things.
We know that, that you
talk about this a lot in
training plans and training
programs for athletes, but
why should people do them?
What workouts should people be?
Bertrand News: Thank you, kevin.
As much as we focus on the
dynamic warm-up portion.
So doing something before
you actually get into your
running exercise, very
important, essential key.
And as much as we talk about
the necessity to stay active
and getting in the work.
Once you've completed the work.
You must cool down and
cool down effectively
cooled down, utilizing a
foam roller, incorporating
some level of stretching.
Maybe it's a seven to
10-minute yoga routine,
something along those lines.
But stretch out, lengthening
those muscles post-workout
after they've been warmed up.
Once the body's worked out,
you're going to get the most
bang for your buck by having
a good cool-down and that good
cool-down is going to carry
over into your next workout to
make you less sore and reduce
the likelihood of injury.
So taking 10 to 15 minutes.
Find the time foam roll stretch.
We have lots of different
stretching routines.
There are a lot of, seven
to 10-minute yoga routines.
There can be longer, but again,
making that time is going
to help you in the long run.
Are you going to be happier?
You're going to feel better
and you gonna get the most bang
out of your buck by having a
good warmup, good workout, and
a good cool-down those three.
Are going to be game changes
for you in the bigger scale
of your running journey.
And we like to use this
term, do the prehab.
So you stay out of the rehab,
you know, all about self-care.
So all about self-care,
you know, make the, to make
the time as much as we get
focused and say, what's
the workout for the day.
Okay, I'm going to go in
and do the Hill repeats.
I'm going to do the fartlek.
So I'm going to go out
and do my long run and we
start to think of I'm so
busy, what can I cut out?
I can't cut out the workout.
I don't want to cut
the mileage short.
No, one's looking, I'm
going to cut out the warmup.
You know what?
No, one's looking.
I'm gonna go ahead and
cut out the long run.
Those things can be the
weak link in your chain
and put you at risk.
For injury and when you're
injured, you're not available,
you will miss workouts and
will delay your goals for that
race that you're training for.
Kevin Chang: Yeah.
And let's talk a little
bit about the importance
of pliability because what
happens with your body is, if
you're not flexible enough,
then your body tries to make
up for it by doing all sorts
of other things, right?
If your ankles aren't flexible
enough, then your running form
isn't going to be perfect.
Right.
So, you know, one of the first
things that we often do in
CrossFit is we just do a squat.
We squat all the way to the
ground, you know, and we
can see if we can squat and
keep your torso upright.
And is your body
doing something?
Are your heels coming
up off the ground?
Are you trying to
compensate for your body
not being flexible enough?
Right.
And so if you're not
doing the foam rolling,
if you're not doing other
stuff, then your body's
going to try to compensate.
that's why you get into
these awkward situations.
You're starting to get
injured because Hey you one
side's not flexible while the
other side is more flexible.
You start to break down your
running form and that can
again be your weakest link.
That can be your, the chain
that breaks along the way.
So building flexibility,
building pliability,
building some of the
dynamic stretchiness, and
it takes time tendons and
ligaments take longer to
repair than muscles do.
So that's why
stretching every day.
You may not see it right away.
It may not come back next
week, but if you continue to
stretch it, if you continue
to do the dynamic stretching,
We should really clarify that
static stretching has been
shown not to be as effective,
but dynamic stretching,
dynamic, warmups, dynamic foam,
rolling all of these things.
And sometimes, you know,
collagen supplements, other
supplements to help build
the ligaments, to help build
some of that flexibility
and pliability over time.
Bertrand Newson: And things
that help expedite recovery
outside of rest and sleep.
Sometimes it's
need to chill out.
And what I mean by that
is, Hey, ice therapy.
So if that's localized,
you know, styrofoam cup,
you cut an inch off and you
have exposed ice and you
put that on you targetedly.
If you have a sandwich bag
or a gallon bag with water
and ice if you're jumping in
an ice bath with Epsom salt.
Or a five-gallon container with
ice and water and Epson salt.
All of those things, cold
therapy does expedite recovery.
So if you can build up
the temperament to in
include it, that can be
a game-changer for you.
It can allow you maybe to
squeeze in an extra half
workout a week, or maybe an
extra workout every two weeks.
That's getting you ahead of the
game, get me one step closer
to your race day goals and
building speed and endurance
and the body's resilience.
So incorporate ice
therapy into your routine.
Kevin Chang: All right.
So I know that we're getting
a little bit long-winded
here, and I love what you
talk about, about getting
into ice baths, getting into
recovery, making sure that
your tendons or ligaments have
enough time to, to recover.
We talk a little bit about
college and that sort of thing.
There's whole studies
on cold therapy.
I don't know if you've heard
of Wim Hoff and the Wim Hof
Method, you know, him like
diving into ice-cold oceans and
the Arctic and, and all that.
We can talk about how cold
therapy can actually change
your body composition from
regular white adipose tissue
into brown fat, which actually
allows you to utilize fats
more efficiently, allows you
to have a leaner body mass.
That's a whole nother
episode that we'll get into.
We'll get into diets.
We'll get into training
your body to utilize
energy efficiently.
But let's talk a little bit
about body composition, how
that affects you on race day.
Bertrand Newson: Quite
simply, the leaner you
are, the faster you are.
And there's a healthy lean,
and there's an unhealthy
lean, but generally, we have
a reduced amount of body fat.
Your diet influences
this your activity level
influences as well.
As a, an active individual, you
do want to be mindful of what
your scale weight is, and you
can maintain the same scale, but
if you're modifying your body
composition, say hypothetically,
you're a male mid-forties
and your body weight is 200
pounds, but you're 25% body fat.
You can still maintain
that same level of weight
and reduce your body fat,
increasing your lean mass and
be a healthier individual.
So your health is not dictated
strictly by scale weight.
And it's not a bad idea to
understand what your body
fat percentage is from a
composition standpoint, and
to measure another component
of how healthy you you are
versus just time and distance
or scale weight in general.
Kevin Chang: And I mean, this is
why it's again, so important to
understand the athlete's goals.
Do they have an overall
goal to lose body fat?
Many of our athletes do, they're
looking to lose body fat, and
yeah, if you lose body fat,
most likely, depending on where
you are on body fat percentage,
but most likely you will get
faster if you lose body fat.
Maybe your goal, isn't a
fast, fast marathon, right?
Maybe it is around
something else.
It's not always just hitting
maximum peak performance
at a certain distance.
And so that's why,
again, it makes sense
to look at the athlete.
What are your goals?
But if you want to get faster
at a certain distance, then
oftentimes it's looking at the
workouts that you're doing.
It's looking at what
you're eating your diet.
How your body is utilizing
the energy that you
provided and, putting
together an overall plan.
And so, you know, I think
that's, at the end of the day,
Bertrand Newson: You
said it right there, man.
It's the plan.
It's the plan.
Goal.
what's the goal, and then a
plan that works towards it.
Because if you don't
have one without the
other, you just can't.
Spin your wheels.
and we see a lot of athletes
coming to us when they
feel they've plateaued.
Meaning because they are
putting in the work and find
themselves constantly injured.
Or if you always do the
same thing, you'll always
have what you got and they
can't seem to maybe break
that sub 10 minute pace.
They can't seem to get
that sub one hour 10 K.
We'll get that sub 2: 30 half
marathon or sub-two-hour
marathon because there's
something in their training
routine that is not happening.
Sometimes it's not enough rest.
Sometimes it's not enough speed.
Sometimes not enough
strength training.
Sometimes it's no prehab
or post-workout cool-down
things along those lines.
But finding what is missing
in your fitness puzzle
through a plan, it can help.
Make sure you have the
right puzzles in the
right spot, so you can
get where you need to go.
Kevin Chang: I love it.
And as we mentioned before,
you can't get there without
putting in the work.
So we've got plans for you.
We've got all sorts of
things that we help you
with coaching and training.
So go online to RaceMob dot com.
If you're interested in
finding a training plan,
That will fit your goals.
It fits your needs, but at
the end of the day, you still
have to put in the work.
And if you put in the work, we
know that you're going to toe
that starting line in the best
shape of your life and with the
ability to really hit those PRs.
So I think we'll cut
it there for today.
Because we have so much
more that we can talk about
scratching the surface.
This can go on for hours and
hours and hours obviously,
but hopefully, you guys
found some use out of this.
If you want to have more
conversations and chat with
us, you know where to find
us, we're always there to help
you guys and support you guys.
So thanks so much for
listening and we will
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