Coaching Call with "The Professor" - Training for the Rock 'n' Roll San Jose Half Marathon with Jason Peevyhouse

Jason Peevyhouse: So, you know, I just kind of made daily changes to my diet and I think it was that combination of diet and exercise that really got me down. Because I'm pretty consistent these days with running. My weight, I don't think is down at 160 anymore. I think I've gained a little bit of muscle and things like that, which is fine. I'm not really looking for that aspect right now to drop the weight. You know, I'm working on some other things, but you know, it was that diet and exercise of running. That was definitely shedding those extra pounds that I was carrying around. Yeah. And that was my motivating factor. Kevin Chang: Hello and welcome to the RaceMob podcast. This is episode number 54. I'm Kevin entrepreneur technology and fitness nerd, and I'm joined by the head coach of RaceMob and master motivator, the incomparable Bertrand Newson. On today's episode, we have RaceMob and two legit fitness member. The professor Jason PV house. We talk about Jason's introduction into running, which started only a couple of years ago in 2017. . Not only did he work off some unwanted weight, but he also got involved into a thriving running community and has really paid it forward. We also treated much of this conversation as a coaching call. Jason has a goal of setting a new PR in the San Jose rock and roll half marathon. This October. So we talked through his current training and gave him some advice to get him ready for the race. And we'll definitely be following his progression to see if he can break a one 50 half marathon. If you're looking for some running advice, then reach out to us directly. Schedule a free call with Coach "B" by emailing him at Bertrand at RaceMob dot com. You can find all of the show notes online at RaceMob dot com slash podcasts. and without further ado here's our Bertrand Newson: conversation. Hello, RaceMob family. We are in for a real treat today. The professor Jason Peevyhouse educator, father husband avid runner, both on trail and road, someone who was always willing to pay it forward and share his knowledge as he learns through his own health and wellness journey. Welcome Jason. Jason Peevyhous: Thank you guys. Yeah. Super stoked to be here. Long time listener of RaceMob. So definitely happy to jump in with you guys today. Kevin Chang: Yay. Excited to have you man, so excited to have you. Bertrand Newson: So Jason, you you're a bay area, cat. You teach an educator in the Sunnyville. You're why don't you give us a little bit of history, just in general, before we dive into your athletic, lifestyle and active lifestyle. Jason Peevyhouse: Yeah, sure. I'm actually born and raised in San Jose. So I grew up kind of like on the border of Campbell and San Jose Bascom Hamilton area down there, kind of by the pruneyard. And, grew up here, went to school uh, valley Christian all the way from preschool through 12th grade. And then San Jose state for college. And then now I'm as far north as I've ever been up in mountain view, but definitely love in the area. Bertrand Newson: Awesome. Awesome. Let's see, Missus is a writer author. Jason Pee: Yeah, that's correct. Yeah, my wife she's a writer. So she has three books published science fiction fantasy. We have a son as well. We live up here and we're just super stoked to be here and yeah, Kevin Chang: Wow. Wow. Do you want to give us some book titles? Jason Peevyhouse: Yeah, sure. Kevin Chang: You said young adult, fantasy. Jason Peevyhouse: Yeah. We could drop , some book titles. So she has three books published. She has a book called Strange Exit, so you'll look for her Parker, Peevyhouse on Amazon, things like that. , we also have. The Echo Room. Also another good one, really fast paced read. And then going all the way back. So Where Futures End is her first novel that was published. But yeah, they're all good. You can check them out, find them at your local bookstores or amazon.com. Kevin Chang: Incredible. Fun. Bertrand Newson: We love that. So let's go ahead and dig in. Let's roll up the sleeves and learn about you. The athlete you, the Abbott trail runner you the avid road runner. You disliked getting out there and do your thing, not all about races, especially as we navigated through 2020. tell us about how you got into running and to this level. Jason Peevyho: Yeah, absolutely. So I, I pretty much consider myself, you know, a pretty basic. You know, athlete, I'm certainly not in my eyes elite. I don't spend a ton of time trying to get to that level. I just enjoy being outside and I just enjoy the fitness component to running and to working out. It's definitely something that brings me a lot of just peace. It's an escape kind of for me. It's a way for me just to process a lot of my things that are going on in a way to kind of just through motion and through activity, kind of get to a, I think a place of calmness, a place of centeredness almost, you know, especially on the trails. We'll talk about that a little bit later, but just to kind of a sense to find myself out there. As I'm working and I never really grew up in athlete. I didn't do a lot of athletics in school. I think, you know, the only time I would ever run, if there was like fire drill or something like that, or an actual fire, I'd probably out door. Uh, But, and the 1989 earthquake, I do remember running outside. I shouldn't have done that, but, you know, I was scared. aside from those two bursts of sprints, I didn't really consider myself a runner. I layed golf in high school. Things like that. So, you know, it was kind of around athletics a little bit and a little bit of, you know, flag football in junior high school, things like that, but certainly wasn't a super athlete. Actually did marching band in high school. Quite a bit of play. All the way through high school and we were very competitive. So that was a great way to get some competitive nature out. But certainly, you, know, not a super athlete. And so it was just, I think uh, not too long ago, probably around 2016, 2017. I was putting on the pounds to be honest, you know, and it was just something where I was looking in the mirror. I wasn't getting a lot of activity. I was eating pretty much whatever I wanted. I wasn't really looking at diet and started, you know, getting up there to a noticeable level where I was looking at myself in the mirror and I thought, Hmm, it's probably something I should be doing about this before this gets ou Bertrand Newson: of hand. You, you noticed that JP, you noticed it, or the Jason Peevyhouse: know, I am going to say, I noticed it. I don't want put anybody on blast. So I'm going say the record, I Noticed it. And um, and uh, definitely I thought to myself, well, what would be probably like you know, people say this cliche, the easiest thing to get into is running, right? All you need is a pair of shoes and you're good to go little, do we know at the time? But that's what I thought then. And so I remember going on to Amazon, I bought my first pair of shoes off of amazon.com. They were like, not even the Sketchers performance brand, they were just, you know, Skechers go run 400 or something, you know, just a, kind of like a 30 to $40 shoe on Amazon. And that was it. I got those and started running on my own in the neighborhood. And I remember just not knowing where to begin. I found the Nike run club app, and I started there, you know, they had some runs on there. They had some coaches on them. And it started with like everybody pretty much just trying to get to that mile marker without stopping. And that's where the whole kind of Genesis of my running career began. Yeah. Kevin Chang: That's awesome. Yeah, I mean, and I use that Nike run club app too. They've got some guided runs. They've got a couple of different ways to, you know, it just gets you started and gets you off the couch. So I love that you started there. I think that's a great place for a lot of runners to start. And tell us, I mean, did you have a goal when you started out, did you have something that you were shooting for or was it basically, I just want to get out of the house a couple of times per week? Jason Peevyhouse: Yeah. So initially it was a weight goal. You know, I started off I think I was probably somewhere around 180 pounds? Somewhere in there, maybe a hundred eighty, a hundred eighty five in that neighborhood, you know? And, and just for context, I'm about five, 10 or so. And. You know, when I used to weigh myself in high school college, I probably, it was like 150. So I'm not super muscular. Not really, you know, looking for a big build or anything like that. Pretty narrow frame. And so I was looking at that 180 and pushing up into the 180 fives and I was like, man, I want to get down. I want to lose 20 pounds. I'm want to get down to 160. That was my goal. And I remember I went out and bought a Bluetooth scale. You know, the one that shoots up you step on it and gets all the, you know, the muscle mass and the bone density and Kevin Chang: all that. Oh Oh yeah, got one of those too. I love it. Yup. Yup. Yup. Amazon prime day today. yep. We know all about that. Yeah. Jason Peevyhouse: So I started there and it really was, running was the only thing I did. I wasn't strength training it. Wasn't lifting weights. I didn't know anything. I didn't know any better. I think I subscribed to runner's world and started reading some articles there. But really wasn't putting in time in the gym or cross-training, or knowing what I was doing. I was just jogging running, you know, whatever, whatever it was. And it ended up being about the same pace all the time. You know, there wasn't a variety of runs that you eventually learned w the longer you're the run game how to mix up your runs throughout the week and things like that, the purposes of different runs. But for me, it was all about losing that 20 pounds. So through diet, through running I was definitely able to get down to 160. I met my goal eventually. I can't remember how long but I did hit that goal. And I remember being pretty proud because you know, it was something that I wanted to fix, and it was something that just through effort, getting outside, placing up every day was able to achieve. And that was awesome. And I'm not super elite. So if I could do it, you know, anybody Yeah. Kevin Chang: That's incredible. That's incredible. Well, what do you think for yourself was the key to your consistency? Did you have it on a schedule where you're trying to beat times or what, what was it that helped you stay consistent? Jason Peevyhouse: I think what mainly helped me was just that long-term goal of one 60. I didn't know how long I was in for it. You know, I knew I wanted to get there, but that was definitely kind of the engine that drove me every single day. And I remember early on, you know, just a lot of runs, one mile runs a one and a half mile runs and that was it. You know, other than that, I was eliminating a lot of stuff from my diet things, just extra stuff, extra calories, heavy calories, like ice cream. You know, we got a food chain here called the habit, a burger, you know to some heat for this, but I'm going to go out and record. think they're better than in and out burgers. So there you go. The hate mail is going to come in, but um, the habit burgers, man. Kevin Chang: They got that teriyaki burger, man. Yeah. They're a little like slice of pineapple man. I do love a habit burger. With char- char grill. Jason Peevyhouse: well constructed and I remember going to the habit and it was like, you know, I didn't allow myself burgers anymore burgers and fries. They have a superfood salad there. That's gotten, you know, some kales and keenwah some feta cheese. Like a light vinegarette, things like that. And the chicken breast on top. So, you know, I just kind of made daily changes to my diet. And I think it was that combination of diet and exercise that really got me down because I'm pretty consistent these days with running. My weight, I don't think is down at 160 anymore. I think I've gained a little bit of muscle and things like that, which is fine. I'm not really looking for that aspect right now to drop the weight. You know, I'm working on some other things, but you know, it was that diet and exercise of running. That was definitely shedding those extra pounds that I was carrying around. Yeah. And that was my motivating factor. Kevin Chang: Love that, yeah, I think weight loss is a motivating factor for so many of our audience. I mean, I think a lot of us get into this game. You know, we're seeing, we're seeing that scale way kind of creep up a little bit over time. I talked to us a little bit about the diet side. What worked for you. Jason Peevyhouse: Yeah, I think you know, I've, I've heard of different apps, I've tried different apps, you know, the ones where you can scan the barcodes and it kind of counts the calories for you. I never really was much of a calorie counter myself. I just kind of figured, Hey, if I could start to make some changes on the daily level with what I'm actually ordering, when we go out to eat, you know, rather than some heavy stuff, fries you know, super fatty stuff. Maybe if I can just get some lighter stuff, some leaner salad. Some more whole grains, some more fruits and more vegetables, and just kind of took that approach on just a daily choices type of thing. That was really what got me through. And I got I think during this time I got a book by Shalane Flanagan, run, fast, eats low. I think that's the name of it. Yeah. And yeah, super great book. And that had a lot of great tips in there. A lot of great smoothie recipes. I remember getting really down on this beet smoothie that I would make all the time uh, just super delicious. It's got, you know, peanut butter and cocoa powder and beets and like all this really good stuff, almond milk. so yeah, I would just kind of, you know, make more of a conscious effort to think about what I'm putting into my body and make choices that were a little bit smarter when I went out. You know, it wasn't super revolutionary every once in a while I'd have, you know, a bite of something. But I do remember when weight loss was my goal. Pretty strict about it. You know, it had been a long time before I had a burger or a beer eventually, you know, I really cut a lot of that stuff out and started to really be more strict when I was going strictly for weight loss. Bertrand Ne: That's great to JP. And, we, we want to know from your perspective, the athlete do we feel that exercise is the difference maker? That diet is the difference maker or which from a higher percentage, which one is really the game changer because you have to do some what's one or the other, or in combination. Jason Peevyhouse: Yeah. that's a great question. What I think was more fun for me was exercise. Eventually I hated it at first, you know, I think like a lot of us getting out there for that mile and a half run, or I would look at my Nike run club app, and it would be like the long run for this week is, you know, three miles. And it'd be like, how am I going to do three miles? And you know, it and you know, looking back on it now, it seems silly, but everyone's been there, right. That's where we start. And you look at that and you're like, I don't know how I'm going to, what's going to happen. Can I run three miles? I have no idea. But I think that's more fun. The more, you know, you exercise that definitely. Yeah. Has a more fun element to it, then diet. It's kind of fun. I'm ordering salads at burgers places, but looking around, you know, seeing all the shakes and seeing all the burgers and fries and oh man, the sourdough bread, that's grilled over there. Whew. not fun. Um, But I think uh, it's, the combination of both that definitely gets you there. , Bertrand Newson: Good. And how do we go from looking at a long run of three miles to doing half marathons you know, at the, at your whim, during your first full marathon and not a typical, you know, road marathon, you took on a very challenging race one, just share a little bit about where things changed for you. And you started to gravitate maybe a little bit more at times to trail and were road is now speaking to you. Yeah. Yeah. So I think, you know, if I could share anything you know, with the audience and what's going to be that spark, it would be a live race. That's where it changed. And they're coming back into the picture now, thankfully, and as they start to you know, roll out challenge yourself and sign up for that live race, because for me, 2017 I definitely had that San Jose Turkey trot, 10 K on my radar. And that was the goal. you. know, I initially signed up looking at like the 5k, cause we had a friend through a program that we were doing with some foster youth and she was a runner and she was like you should sign up for this Turkey drive. It's really fun. A lot of people go and you can run. And I was like, okay, fine. I'll sign up for the 5k. She's like what? Don't sign up for the 5k. She's like, yeah, I signed up for the 10 K and I was like, okay. I signed up for the 10 K. And um, I think I later I looked it up and it was six something miles. And I was like, oh, we're doing this. And I'm just training for that. I think wa was fun. I was a solo runner. Didn't have a group yet, you know, two legit wasn't in the picture at that time. Um, These were all on my own and I remember just going out saying, okay, I want to really, you know, hit the six miles and I want to do it really well. This 10 K. And once I got there, man, just the atmosphere of all of the runners, you know, we're looking downtown San Jose, a place that I knew pretty well. But it was a whole new perspective. We were in the streets, you know, crowds and just crowds of people and my own race bib, you know? And um, I remember that feeling of just excitement and pure energy. And I remember looking at my watch it wasn't really running for time back then. I was just running to run. I remember looking down though, and I remember hitting like these, these splits and. How am I running this fast? It doesn't feel like I'm running this fast. And what that was, it was just that surge of energy that really carries you through and changed something in me because I saw a whole group of people and I was like, man, this is awesome. so after that doing that 10 K my first 10 K ever, I remember I actually got to the finish line. I looked at my Nike app and it didn't say 6.2 yet. So I just kept on running through them. I was like and do that now I would 10 K as it is, but um, you know, back then it was like, I got to finish the 10 K. But at any rate, I went to sports basement, I think after that, and they had a run 408, was there back before they were run low or run local. I forget what they were called at the time. Gone through a few changes, but a great local company here who had all the, you know, the 408ks out there. And I think I signed up for the 408k and then the Silicon valley half marathon after that. And so by 2018, I was already eyeing. Okay. April. Let's get that half marathon. And just because I loved the energy in the crowds and that got me through. And so after 2017, I was training on my own. I actually found through, I did the 408k pretty much on my own as well. From what I can recall, I don't think I was with Two Legit yet. Because they started a training club and started posting things online. And I found an Instagram post actually that they were like, Hey, we're going to meet up at Guadalupe river park. We're going to run this, you know, a trail out here, come join us. If you want to join us. And you're training for the Silicon valley half. All right. Cool. That's one of some people. And I went that day. I got, I met Eric, Nando, a whole bunch of people out there. Coach dropped by you know, and just remember meeting people for the first time. And they all were just genuinely nice and generally you know, interested in who I was and meeting me and running with me and swapping, running stories arrives was out there, I think. So a lot of members. And just, you know, had a blast and I was like, cool. So that kind of transformed me from solo runner now to. Runner right where I had, you know, a group and it was a little nerve wracking at first. I remember going to some, some speed sessions at the track and I never had done track at the time. And I wasn't quite sure what to do. But I remember them. Everyone was always really nice. Coach brought a bunch of waters and Gatorades and everything to one track session at Los Gatos high school at the time. And I was like, man, these people are really nice and they really want me to come. And so I, you know, found kind of a community. And then that once I found the community from there, it's over, like, you're hooked. Like you can't get out, you know, it's just too much fun once you have that solid community. And then after half marathon, I thought to myself, well, let's keep the ball rolling. Let's sign up for the next thing, you know? And I don't think the next thing was a full marathon. I think between there, I had a 30. Because boys in the woods came in the picture. I was working with hooks Earl hooks and I'm doing hooked bootcamp. So I remember signing up for that. It's another great program here in the area. If you're looking for a strength training and just another positive supporting community man, hooked on fitness, check them Yeah. Yeah. And so that was really fun. That brought a whole different element to working out. So now, rather than just running, I was strength training. I didn't know what at the time, but I was strength training, which was a good form of keeping those muscles strong for, for trail runs. And he started boiling. And he asked me to go along, you know in Mount Diablo I think was my first trail run. And uh, it's, it's a lot of elevation and I remember going up there and I was like, this is fun, but man, this is way different. You know, it wasn't looking at my watch. It wasn't, you know, checking splits it. Wasn't okay. We got to finish this. It was more about, Hey, we got a group of boys. We want to get them up and we want to get them down safely. And so I think having kind of a different perspective for a run was good. where I was more kind of like in an encouraging role, trying to encourage the boys to get up there and to get back down. But I remember thinking we were coming down and the dissent is like technical, single trail, Rocky. Yeah. What is this, you know, as I'm flailing down and trying not fall off a mountain but had my first trail fall and my first trail run as well, at probably the flattest point of the whole Mount Diablo and just rock bailed man. I got up and you know, dusted myself off. We went to the aid stair, the first aid station at the end got cleaned up and loved every minute of it, big smile on my face and was like, this is something different. And so that introduced a whole new element of, of trails to me which eventually grew into a 30 K. And then from the 30 K, which was kind of like a training issue run for my full marathon in, I think it was probably around September timeframe, 2018. Yeah. Kevin Chang: Oh, wow. Wow. So you went fairly quickly cause I know the half marathon is in April, Jason Peevyhouse: Yeah. marathon, Kevin Chang: quickly from, from half marathon to 30 K all the way to full marathon. that is pretty. Yeah, that's pretty incredible. Bertrand Newson: Flat pancake, flat half marathon in April to a lot of game, like 5,000, 6,000 feet of gain in your marathon. Yeah. Kevin Chang: Yeah. Yeah. I just wanted you to help explain to our audience what boys in woods is because, I know a little bit about Earl hooks. I've I've met him before. I think hopefully we'll get him on the podcast as well to talk about it, but , you're a teacher. So talk to us a little bit about what that meant for you to be able to work with those kids and talk to us a little bit about that program and you Jason Peevyhouse: Yeah. Yeah, definitely. And coach, you can jump in too. I first learned about it with the you know, hooked bootcamp. We were doing bootcamps and, and Earl was saying, Hey guys, we got, you know, we're going to launch this program. We're going to get boys from all over this area who normally, maybe wouldn't be exposed to running or trail running. We want to do character building. We want to build them up as leaders. We want to get leadership skills. We want to take them on the trails. We want to, you know, allow them the opportunity to be in nature to help each other and to kind of build this leadership role in these boys. And I was like, that's up my alley, man. That's great. You know, as a, as a teacher I love to see the students built up. And so he had this great program that he was just getting off the ground. And so he was looking for volunteers to help. You know, and so I remember at a, at a hook boot camp, he was like, you know, we're doing Mount Diablo. You know, we need some volunteers to help drive some of the boys up there to help run with them, to get them through this. And I was like, Yeah, sign me up, dude. And so that was not only a lot of the boys first experience, but, but my first experience too, and it feels good, you know, just to help other people. And it feels good. When you're in a position to kind of, I didn't have trail knowledge at the time, but you know, a bunch of snacks in my bag. So I learned through, you know, teaching, you bring them up junk food And enough snacks and things like that. And you kind of Hey, you know, at the end of this Ridge right here, man, you want some gummy bears, let's go get some gummy bears, like, you know you know, I little tricks like picking up a rock and, you know, when some kids are struggling and you pick up a rock on the trail and you just kind of, Hey, I'm going to chuck this ahead. We're going to walk to the rock and then it's your turn. You get to throw it however far you want to. And so, you know, obviously you went on to throw rocks off the trail, but, you know, if you just Chuck it on trail it's fine. And so that just kinda mentally breaks up a lot of the miles and kind of gives the kids more of a, a perspective of where to get to. And so it was super cool to use some of those skills that I had from being a teacher and just kind of a mentor role to help them out too. Bertrand Newson: And JP, if I recall, wasn't your son able to join you on some of those trail outings and some of the bootcamps as well. So father, son, you know, family fitness that's one great thing about coach Earl hooks. He's all about that. Jason Peevyhouse: Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. It's super great. Kevin Chang: That's awesome. Well, yeah. So talk to us about that marathon. I mean, you go directly from as Coach mentioned, flat, flat half marathon, all the way to your first full marathon in a matter of a couple of months what was the training like? , and how did that marathon go for you? Jason Peevyhouse: Yeah. So for me, I think looking at the marathon, I, I wanted not just to do any sort of marathon, I still, to this day, haven't done a road marathon just because I really haven't felt the desire to do that yet. When I do I'll sign up but for me, it was all about the location, location, location. And so I, I had done science camp up in the Marine Headlands for about eight years, I think. And we used to go up there to their program and hike all the trails up there to Hawk hill. So I knew kind of, you know, rodeo beach, I knew hilly 88. I knew the battery Townsley all these cool things about the Marin Headlands. It's one of my favorite spots to go. And so when I saw that a marathon up there, I was like, cool. I just, I love it. I don't have to worry about time as much, you know, we've got all this time to complete this thing. I don't have to run every single step. And so I decided to go for it. And so I think a lot of it was getting out on trails, a lot of it with the boys. But also just going with boys in the woods and doing, you know, like a 30 K with while they would do maybe a 10 K or something like that. Right. And so we kind of go through building up mileage. Over time in the Hills to kind of mimic some of the elevation. And then Yeah. I remember going, I got Earl, actually, he volunteered to pace me. He decided uh, you know, that's something that he wanted to do. So I asked him, he was like, yep, cool. I got you. And so that kind of introduced me to the whole concept of, of giving up of yourself to help other people succeed. You know, which is something that I think is important in this sport. We want to see everybody succeed. You know, it's not an individual effort, we're a collective, you know, and sometimes you know, through leaders like coach and leaders like Earl, who just give of himself so much, you learn to really give that back. And so he paced me and I remember starting off, I was nervous, obviously, never done the distance before. I think my longest run up to that point was probably. 18 to 20 miles. I don't know if I did a 20 miler. I think I did. I did in July. I think I did a 20 miler for the first time. And but other than that, I, you know, I hadn't gone the full marathon distance, but I knew I loved the trails there and I knew the, I knew where it was and I kinda knew all the icon iconic spots. And start off you start off just underneath the golden gate bridge, basically a little bit. Kind of by rodeo beach. And we went through Pacific coast trail runs, great local company, and they had it all set up for us. And so we run out, we do a little out and back first through a stop sign, and then it's just like the first mile or two, it's just, you know, uphill. Right. And so I'm walking, you know, Earl's walking, we're taking, we're taking pictures, we're having a great time. I remember getting down to some stairs once we come across past battery Townsley we go down some stairs, a little bit of a dip out to the first aid station. And he was like, you know, it's pretty cool right now. Let's, you know, we can kind of run through a lot of these, you know, different sections that are flats downhills, you know, so that when it gets warmer later, we can kind of take it a little bit easier. And I was like, okay, cool. So it felt like a great, pace the whole time. He had great tips from me the whole way taking pictures. And I remember getting out through mile 20 and we went out underneath the golden gate. And there was our last aid station, took some pictures and we were heading back and I was like at mile 21, 22. And I was like, dude, you know, we got like this uphill left and it got a downhill, like I can crush this. Like I got it in me, you know? And so I felt really strong, really confident. And then I remember mile 23, boom. know what happened. sometimes in races when we feel nature, call in nature. was oh brother. I was dang it, because I was flying and I was, you know, to like negatives. And I was like, you know, it wasn't really counting my pace, but I just remember feeling like I got three miles to, I don't know, man. I got three miles to go I'm like, you know, run, stopping, walking, stopping, run, stopping, you know, not to be too candid, but we felt the urge or I felt the urge go. And I remember I was like, well, I know at the finish line. Like 20 yards from the finish line, there's a bathroom. And so I just pictured my first marathon finished 20 yards in the finish, just going over to the bathroom, doing my business, coming back out and running across the finish line. I was like, whatever. But luckily we actually found about a mile out afforded potty and you know, I, I wasn't seeing things and that was, Yeah. I checked Earl's like, Earl, do you see that thing over there? He's like, yeah, I see it. I was like, okay, good. And this, I was like, all right, here we go hand them my backpack and was like, all right, I'm going to go to the bathroom. Luckily it was open. Got to finish there, but then that, you know, let the whole finish experience a little more exciting. Cause I was able to run through the finish without stuffing. It was a super cool experience. The hooks family was out there. Like we said, great people. The whole family came out to support. My dad came from Colorado to witness finish. My son was there, my best friend was there. And so it was just kind of a special moment, you know, with the ocean off the line. Coming into that last quarter mile or so. And just being like, yeah, we got this. And I just remember being super excited to finish my first marathon, man. Bertrand Newson: And again, audience to summarize, he had finished months early. He was very funny. Half marathon and a double the distance and with all the elevation game, but more importantly, to share that experience with somebody else, you know, stride for stride someone with the experience you can trust and have the confidence you to say, you know what? You got this and it wasn't about time was about enjoying the journey that location spoke to you because your previous experience there sometimes it's just that even when you went back to the Turkey truck, just sign up, just commit to something that has a, it will force you to put in the work. And then you learn a lot about yourself. You may not know, you know, you don't know who you may meet. You might go on Instagram and find a running group that becomes your second family. And some of your, your, you know, your, your circle of friends, close friends and people that you've inspired and paid it forward a hundred times over which you have. And we'll talk more about that as well. So what are you training for now? Jason Peevyhouse: Yeah. So right now? actually training cycle, I think is going to ramp up in July. I am eyeballing my first live race since you know, lockdown, all that sort of stuff. So it'll be the San Jose rock and roll half marathon. My only time I've really raced, I half marathon was my first half marathon. So that is still my PR. So I'm looking at October to potentially improve on that. Bertrand Newson: October 3rd to be specific. I think they have the 5k the day before on the second several of our RaceMob athletes are actually training for that right now. So why don't we use this as an opportunity to kind of talk through maybe some of the particulars in helping you get prepared. We know that you've had training plans either navigated a narrator through Nike or on your own as well. You're fantastic researcher. You know, the difference between just a casual, everyday run versus mixing it up during the weekday and the importance of a long run. And self-care, we can talk about all those things in a bit more organized format. So race day, we have what, 15, 14, 15 weeks between now and race day. So you have enough time to get into full training cycle. And what does the training cycle three months, four months, depending on who you asked for. So you have enough time. Could you go from couch to half marathon finished in that timeframe? Some people could, so we feel it, but you are an experienced runner already. Do you have an idea on what your goal time, what you'd like it to be? What is your PR and are you looking to chase PR at that race? And what does PR mean? Everybody personal record or PB? Personal best. Jason Peevyhouse: Yeah. So I remember uh, my first half marathon uh, time was somewhere in the 1:52, 1: 53 range, somewhere in there. And Kevin Chang: that's a pretty good Oh. Jason Peevyhouse: It's a good, you know, it's one of you get out on the race course and it's like, man. that energy. But I remember, I, I think I'm probably going to go for maybe a 1:50 to 1: 45, somewhere in that ballpark would be a success. Yeah. Bertrand Newson: good. So we're looking at a pace somewhere. So 1 45 Kevin Chang: Like in the seven, seven and a half minute miles. Is that what Jason Peevyhouse: That would be quick for me. Bertrand Newson: About yes. So eight, eight minute paces. Just about 1: 45. Jason Peevyhouse: Yeah. Yeah. So somewhere between eight and eight, 10 pace probably would be, I'd be happy with that. Kevin Chang: If you like our podcast and sign up for our newsletter, where we give you weekly tips on how to run your best race and have fun in the process, just go to RaceMob.com and sign up today. Bertrand Newson: And with your, say the last couple of weeks, JP, maybe a month or so, what is your weekly mileage at right Jason Peevyhouse: Yeah, I found my mileage sweet spot tends to be around 25 to 28 miles. So that's, that's definitely where I'm at. I try not to do more than that just consciously, because I know that that kind of where I'm at puts me at risk for injury. I've had a bunch of that in the past. So I found that 25 miles is pretty Good. A sweet spot. Bertrand Newson: Good. And what is your current right now? If we're looking at, you know, typically people will have their long run on a Saturday or Sunday. What is your max long run? Distance retina. What kind of shape are you in? Can you go out and knock out a 10 K eight mile or 10 mile? Half marathon? What kind of shape are you in right now on the 21st of Jason Peevyhouse: Yeah. So right now with those miles, I typically get about 15 miles or so of those with a variety of relaxed runs, you know, my easy pace conversation, pace where I'm not really looking to kind of speed up, I'm looking to kind of slow down and just get the miles in. And for me, what that equates to with time-wise right now would be somewhere between 10. And then I kind of, you know, just naturally negative split down to like the nine 30 range as I progressed in warm up to the run. So that's a casual run. I think from there we have a, I do a weekly workout as well, a speed workout on Wednesdays on the track. So that's got a bunch of intervals it's hammer time, you know but to the intervals and things like that uh, that are thrown in, in different time trials. So it's a higher effort higher. But kind of shorter mileage. So where I might do a five mile run during the week at an easy pace, you know, I'm looking at maybe three miles to four miles on the track, but interval, so there's lots of breaks in between and kind of an effort there. And then on the long run, I'm about 10 miles or so. On average on the weekends, that's pretty much what I enjoy for a long run right now. Bertrand Newson: Good. And on your long runs, are you predominantly on road or trail or are you kind of, you're mixing it up. Jason Peevyhouse: Yeah. Mixed up. week to week found somebody to run with. So, so sometimes we're on the trail. Sometimes if it's just me, I'll probably hit on the road a little bit. And yeah, a nice mixture of long runs, mostly at easy pace, but I have been playing around a little. With kind of putting in some, some tempos, like I might do six miles easy and then do maybe a three miles hard or at tempo pace and then kind of a cool-down mile somewhere in there. So kind of playing around with it a little bit. Bertrand Newson: Good. Good, good, good. And audiences. It's worth noting that what Jason is talking about looking at his week so far with what he's described, there's variation. It's not running the same pace or the same distance. He's mixing things up lower intensity, higher intensity, shorter distance speed, work longer runs conversation. Pace longer runs tempo. I'm mixing it up is a good way to challenge the body. So you can technically go slower to go faster in the long run that is possible. , Kevin Chang: jP. Can you talk to us a little bit about, do you have any injuries right now? And let's talk a little bit also through the progression. You have three months until. If we want to get you at peak performance , have you started looking at training plans or I don't know if you started working with coach on training plans how that progression looks from what you're, where you are today, and where that might go over the next couple of months. So, Talk about the injuries first if there are injuries or anything that, that may be nagging you today, Jason Peevyhouse: So luckily today um, I've been injury free for a while. That's pretty good that I can't really remember my last major one. You know, so I definitely knock on wood feeling pretty confident where I'm at today with it. And looking forward, I think, you know coach will probably agree with this. But I'm definitely going to get his ear and his advice com coming forward in July for what to do for this, you know, PR because I'm doing a half marathon a month, so, you know, the actual race distance I'm familiar with, right. Because I've done six of them already here. It is June. Right. So it kinda know the distance. And with that, I know what my easy pace looks like. So if I'm just casually running it, I know where I'm going to land there. I've done some on the trails too, which is kind of a different ballpark. But also I know this last time that I did my half marathon you know, I was really looking for that two hour mark, like let's, let's nail that two hour mark. And you know, I got out there. , , it sneaks up on you sometimes it's, it's really not pride because I, I, I'm not elite. But you know, I think to myself, I'm like, man, I, I thought this was going to be easier, you know, to hit this mark. But it's work, you know, it's always work. And so I felt like if there were a comfortable where I could kind of settle into even a faster pace, I was about 10 to 15 seconds ahead of that, you know? So just pushing that envelope even to get to that two hour mark, you know, so if I'm looking to get to one 50 or 1 45, that's going to be even more of a push. And so this is where I think coach was mentioned in like a tempo run would come in, right more tempo where I'm kind of running at a quicker race pace. You know, and it can come even in my weekly miles too. If I got, you know like today I did a four mile run, one mile cool up or a cool sorry, what am I warmup? And then I did two miles at a certain pace. And then I did my one mile cool down. Right. And so just throwing in like those little intervals and things like that, I think are gonna probably help me. I don't know, coach, what do you think about. Okay. Bertrand Newson: Yes, I think variation is good. Modifying the intensity. And then also when you're able to. Some speed play. You're very familiar with fart looks you're familiar with elevation gain and trails and hill repeats, , and running at desired race pace to kind of get a feel, you know, to can sit in that driver's seat for Walnut kind of feel what that eight minute pace looks like for a half marathon. Maybe you're running at that pace for a 5k, , and then get out of it back down and maybe build back up to it. And then like you set the structure of the majority of your workouts. You're always looking to start out a little bit slower and progressively get fast. So mimicking a negative split, which is always highly recommended and then maybe if S we're also paying attention to our hydration consumption, we're also paying attention to our nutrition. How many gels are we consuming based on body weight, based on our experience as we've been on those same training runs, the long runs are we test driving our hydration strategy and nutrition strategy. Very important. What we don't want to do is to do that guesswork on race day. So, you know what? I don't, I don't, I don't need to, I don't want to take a gel. I don't want to. Doing that you can self sabotage your, your, your goal race effort. So being mindful of that also, what do we do on race day or the day before looking at the course, how much elevation game, what is the weather going to be like? Am I wearing a singlet? So being mindful of all those particulars outside of just getting the distance in, control the things you can control, the training, what you consume, the rest, the recovery, all those dynamics Casey was in that you wanted to add as Kevin Chang: Yeah, well, I mean, I do want to dive fit particularly into the training. So talk to us a little bit, you mentioned a little bit about the longer. And you try to get to two hours in that long run. Can you, can you describe that race where you kind of at the, even pace the entire time where you're trying to go for negative split during that race and what was it that was particularly fatiguing for you? What type of course were you running kind of talk to us about the things that are pushing you to your limit today? So we can kind of understand those runs. Jason Peevyhouse: So I pretty much up to this point had taken a lot of long runs, easy or trail runs which are not easy, but they are just a different type of running, you know, a lot of hiking and things like that for me. Anyway. I, I actually one of our, my coworkers she wanted to some more accountability for some long runs. And so it was super awesome to catch up with her on the trails. And you know, I've been running by myself. Through the pandemic. And so it's awesome to get out there with her because man, she would just charge up these Hills. so you know, that just when I'm like, okay, well she's going to visit, I'm going to try to go this hill too. You know, and, and we're, I probably would have stopped on my own, you know, that push from someone else and just running with someone else, get to going. And so I think, you know, just a lot of those you know, endurance wise running up those Hills rather than maybe hiking them, that's kind of you know, helped me overall. I would say that the only race I'd done or have done trial race was this last half marathon, which I completed on a track. So I wanted to take out all of their various. I said, I don't want to deal with elevation stoplights courses. I don't want to figure it out. I just want to run along and w in the ideal circumstance where I would have an aid station every quarter mile, and I would have a restroom if needed, you know just every quarter mile. And I could take out all the other factors, where do I line up in this two hour mark right now? And that's pretty much the purpose and the mindset for my last one. And it was all pretty much even splits. I would say, if anything, I got out probably a little hot the first, a little quicker than I anticipated the first mile or two it's really wasn't too much of an issue. I actually thought I was way more ahead than I was. I got out and I, you know, I was, do try and do the math in my head, which isn't a dangerous thing for me to try to do when I'm in a race. But cause I didn't mark out all the splits and I was just kind of going by average pace on my watch and or current pace on my watch. And so I figured I was way out ahead so I can maybe pull back and I kind of. Around mile 10 and 11, I kind of took maybe five, 10 seconds off each mile, you know, just kind of pulled it back so that I can save a little bit for the end. And I did get under uh, you know, in the 1 59 range, 1 59, 20 ish, somewhere in there where I was ahead, but not as much. I thought I had a buffer zone man. And so that's where I was like, Ooh, man, that was a lot of work. And I thought I was way ahead of that. But you know, as far as the pacing, it, it felt good at even paces, even splits. I would say mile eight. I did start to notice a little bit of hamstring on the upper side, not all the way up in the hip flexor, but kind of like where you pull your leg up, that little connector right there. And sure enough, after that day, too, for a couple of days, I was a little bit sore as well. So a lot of, you know, massage gun stretching foam, rolling walking. We did some hiking at the, you know, last week when we were on vacation, things like that. So not a lot of high-impact to kind of get that smooth out, but that mile eight, I definitely started to notice it, it wasn't a huge issue. Didn't change my gait or anything like that. My running style, my running stride. And so I said, let's just keep going. And it should be fine. And so it wasn't a really painful experience, but it definitely was one where I was pushing. And so my whole mindset was like, if we could just factor out everything else and just go for two hours, where am I at? And let's see. And it was just a challenge against myself, you know, just to see kind of a test, where am I at and figure it out from there. So I can plan for July, August, and September. Kevin Chang: Yeah. And that makes a lot of sense to be able to do a time trial at this point in time. I mean, luckily you're already at that distance, you're already at that endurance level that you can do a time trial and figure out, you know, what might be holding you back or what you might want to work on at this point in time. So that's, that's great to be able to chat about. And I know that we've done an analysis of your running form, so you already have fantastic running form. We've already taken a look at that. So that's great for us to know already that that's not something that we have to worry about or try to figure out at this point. That does leave a question since it was more of a muscular thing rather than potentially lactic acid or other things, which we might want to talk to you a little bit about as well. But if, since it was more of a muscular thing, what does your strength training look like these days? Are you doing strength training and particularly with hamstring kind of backside muscles, those types of things. What, what type of strength training are you Jason Peevyhouse: Yeah. Yeah. Great question, Kevin. Yeah. So looking at post you know half marathon I was looking at, Okay. well, what are some things I could potentially do to maybe strengthen some of those areas? And you know, thinking about that front area that lifts the leg, you know, put maybe I normally right now kind of do two days a week in the gym, went to the gym today. I'm working out of a book called functional anatomy. I think. Functional strength, anatomy, something like that. And it has you know, a two day a week plan in there that involves some single leg activities, little bit of plyometrics, not a ton, you know, it's not putting a ton of stress on the joints through those, but just, you know, keeping up that kind of explosion of speed. There's some hurdles, single leg bounds, things like that. Some medicine ball work, throwing the medicine ball side to side anti rotational thing. So it's got a lot of a mixture, which I like and even mobility too. So I feel like that kind of where my strength training coming in and what I did notice and what I have noticed through strength training is that ironically my right side, where I had the pain is actually I think a little bit weaker. And I probably am a little bit stronger. So like for example, today I was doing single leg deadlifts, a couple barbells in my hand, kind of airplane, airplane down, and then squeezing that glute to get stand back up. Right. My left side feels really, really stable on my right side. Hmm, it's a little sketchy. And so, you know, I had thought about the possibility, and I don't know if this is right or not, but, you know, potentially putting in maybe a few more reps on the right side to try to balance that muscle imbalance. Because I do feel like there's probably something where I favor my left side. It's on my right side is not necessarily as strong. And so maybe more potentially prone to injury. Kevin Chang: Yeah. Yeah. I love, I love that. That, that is a good idea, the more that you can, even yourself out the better. Yeah. And if you're noticing imbalances there, then likely you're overcompensating you know, and, and your strike, can't be completely, even if you, if you're trying to overcompensate. So yeah. Is, that is a good thing to notice. Are you, are you leveling up your strength? Like, are you, as you progress, are you using heavier weights. Jason Peevyhouse: Yeah. I hadn't thought about it too much other than following the progression. There's a four week progression in the book that it doesn't necessarily tell you what weights to use, but I noticed that during weeks, two and three, the reps increase. So where I did two by eight week one, I may be doing three by eight week two three by eight week three. And then I noticed for week four, it said I think fewer. Overall repetitions, I think so I'm guessing it's probably heavier weight at that point. And I don't know if it's supposed to recycle back to the front or not, but I'm definitely open to any suggestions you guys have about you know, building the strength training, because from what I've read and kind of looked at it, it looks like, you know, heavy is, is okay. And that's kind of the way to go. So what are you guys thinking? Bertrand Newson: Yes. Kevin Chang: yeah, and I think from our guests, you want to go heavier, probably a lower lower amount of reps, because what you are trying to do is build strength and you're not necessarily trying to build, you know, bodybuilders go lots of reps, but lower amount of weight. You want to go more weights, a lot less reps to build strength cause you don't want to build bulkiness. And there's probably things to do with eccentric movements. If you can kind of a slower ecentric movements, kind of more explosive movements. You've talked a little bit about plyometrics. I think that probably makes a lot of sense and yeah, I mean, I think when we're doing like power lifting, we think about a little bit more of this periodization. So that is why sometimes these four weeks. Where you build a little bit in intensity and then you kind of pull back, but you're, you're pulling back to, you know, something higher than your base level intensity. So that's why sometimes these four, four week levels for, for strength training as well. So yeah, we can definitely dive in a little bit more on the strength side. I think it's great that you already have the endurance side of things. So we already know you've got the. You know, sometimes during this training session or training cycle over the next couple of months, you may want to go for a little bit longer distance. So you may want to build up to a 15 mile, a 16 mile, maybe even a 17 mile at some point in time you know, just even slower pace that you're, that you're doing, but build that up and then that tapering, so that you're ready for race day, right? So that you can hit it, hit it really hard. They're probably the two things. Maybe just take a look at it are the three things to take a look out would be, you know, building endurance over these kind of first couple of weeks to months building your strength and making sure that we're periodizing and making sure that you're strong as you possibly can, and then potentially playing around with tempo or the fartlek so that, you know, you build intensity for the fart Lex, right? When you know, race day is here or RACI is coming. So those are probably the three. To really pay attention to, or look at, sorry. And I know I'm taking over a lot of this conversation, Coach, anything for you, anything for you to Bertrand Newso: This is perfect. This is now what I, this is great because we're all learning here am I had to, you know, we're talking to a teacher and it wasn't too long ago that, you know, Jason was just, it was entering his running journey. And now he's, you know, running a half marathon for training a month, getting ready for his, a one goal race on the 3rd of October, it's hometown San Jose, California, which is great. Can already see the success can see the metal being put around his neck. All the hard work is going to pay off. He's going to study the course and have the right nutrition game plan and team members running a man. And part of the pace with all that stuff's going to happen. If you were to go backwards to 2016, 2017 to a. Rookie runner, what would you, you tell yourself with what you know right now? Cause you've navigated injury. You've, you've come out on other side, wiser, you've incorporated different types of exercises, pre and post. And this would apply to somebody else. Who's now who's found the, the love of getting outdoors during the pandemic and they are right where you are. It may be the Turkey trot in November. It may be the San Jose rock and roll 5k. It may be a half marathon. What advice would you give yourself or somebody else in your. Jason Peevyhouse: Yeah, I think if I could go back in and give myself that advice, it would be just to, to take your time you know, and not rush to try to, to progress that along with, I think strength training, because like I said, in 2017, the idea of me working out was putting on my shoes and running and that's it. No stretching, no warmup. No, cool-down right. That's, that's what I do. And that's working out to me. Over time we learn to throw in a little bit more of that strength, training, stretching, prehab, post tab, all that stuff that we love so much now. But I think just the idea of taking your time, enjoying the distances and if I could go back I would definitely. I'll give you an example. Very specific example, because I remember 2018 April, my first half marathon September is my first full marathon and we get the, we get an all runners, know this, if you've done a live race before this happens to you, you get done with the race and you get home and you sit on the couch and you're on your phone. And you're like, what next? Right. And you're looking at you know, calendars and you're looking at races distances, and you're like, all right, I can't just do nothing. I would encourage myself to slow down and think about it because what I did was I started you know, texting a buddy of mine who was doing a hundred K and I was like, All right. Let me see, let me just check with them. You know, I got like three or four weeks. It's an October. Right. And you know, I'm like, let's, let's go ahead and just give them a text real quick. Hey man, do you think that I could do this. He's like, yeah, you got this, you got this. Right. And we all know JQ. And he's got a can-do it mentality and he wasn't messing around and you know, he's like, you know what, it's all a hundred percent, you know, pardon my language, but it's balls and heart. Okay. That's all you need. And I was like, okay, fine, fine. I'll sign up. I'll sign up. I got this. Right. And you know, it was only like four weeks after my marathon. And what am I doing? Trying to sign up. And I was on these five or five runs with the team. And coach, you know, he said, it's not, it's not who, I never asked the question, who's running a race, you know? You know, it's not why we're running a race sometimes. It's, you know, when, when are you running this race? And I was like, I don't know, man, I'm just at that point for me in my mindset, I was like, I just want to see what my body can do because it had done everything I had asked it to do up to that point. So, you know, in my mind I'm like, okay, well let's just challenge it and go for it. But sure enough, that was the point where I got through half of the race, but injured, like big time into my first big injury, right? Like hip flexor stuff. I couldn't even lift my leg. I remember going to like the apple store the next day to get a phone or something. And like I had to lift my leg into the car cause I couldn't even use my hip flexor to get that thing up and around. And I was just jacked up, man. And it was too much, you know, too much, too soon. So if there's one piece of advice that I can give you know, people in my shoes back. Just progress slowly, do what you enjoy, but take your time. You know, there's no rush to get into these distances from marathons to ultras, to even just 5k to a 10 K there's no rush to get from a 5k to a 10 K. Right. You can enjoy, you can challenge yourself multiple five Ks. You can improve over that distance. But just take your time before you just step it up to to the next level. Bertrand Newson: Well said, Jeff, your let's see your space, your pace in a race day, run your race. Same thing, your, your, your, and we see that on, especially when you were fortunate to run with a group and you'll see, oh, okay. I want to do that. Okay. Not going to catch me today. And then you find yourself directly, indirectly running above where you should be in an conversation, paces, a huge, very important in your running economy and affecting the bigger picture in a, you know depositing gains in your overall endurance, which can help sustain speed. But if you find yourself running too fast, then you're in some way not running as efficient, it's going to sabotage and work against you. So your space, your pace, and to have a plan scripted out, have a race to commit to, to help hold you accountable and understanding your why, and doing all that busy work. The prehab, the post Hab will help you get one step closer to your race day, time goal. So we appreciate you for sharing that ideal race outcome on the 3rd of October. So we'll be rooting for you. Jason Peevyhouse: yeah, Bertrand Newson: We wouldn't for you. Yeah. New PR sub one 50. Gonna happen? No pressure. Jason Peevyhouse: Yeah. And I would say to the audience, do you know if you don't know what that pace is, you don't know what you're looking for. I mean, you got a couple of coaches here. You got the RaceMob you got Coach "B" the incomparable Coach. "B" who knows his stuff up and down. So yeah, definitely get in touch. Because there, there are people here who can help you. Kevin Chang: Awesome. Well, thank you so much, JP, for joining us today. For our audience, where can they find you? Where can they reach out to you if they have questions or want to just reach you on to your half marathon? Jason Peevyhouse: So if you had to, to legit fitness, . then definitely I'm on there, the Facebook group there. You can find me there on Instagram at JP Wisbey. You can send a request there. And yeah, I'd be glad to get in touch with anybody who needs it. Bertrand Newson: Great follow. Great follow. This dude has what's at the end of each month, you have like a, what? A second or two seconds of every single day. Am I slow montage? Fantastic. Jason Peevyhouse: That's an app. Bertrand Newson: I love it. Kevin Chang: That's Jason Peevyhouse: But it's fun. Bertrand Newson: Okay. Still man. Jason Peevyhouse: And if I can't, I don't know if this is the right point, but I'm gonna jump in here to defend myself because Becky was on an episode prior and she talked about breaking me. So, you know, I gotta, I gotta step in here guys. Come on. So here's JP's side of the story. All right. So it's true. Okay. I got injured. Okay. I'll accept it. Trying to catch Becky, and it's true that we got to the start line and we both looked at each other and said, what, what are we going to do? Becky says, let's go for it. I said, okay. But here's my side of the story. Okay. Now I'm okay with this because like you said, your pace, your race, and if you get outside of your pace and your race, you're going to get. So I remember thinking Becky's going to crush me, right? But I was like, Okay. I got you, Becky. Yeah. We'll do this together. Yeah. All right, here we go. You set the pace. I'll, I'll, I'll stay with you in my mind. I'm thinking if I can keep up with her through mile three, like that would be a win for me. Right. And uh, sure enough, we start off and it's fast, man. It's fast and uneven and I'm just like huffing and puffing, like, Okay. Bertrand Newson: Yeah, she set PR that day. Jason Peev: Sub 45 minutes, man. Kevin Chang: Wow. Bertrand Newson: Sub Jason Peevyhouse: Yeah. And so I'm running next to her and I'm just like, there's no way I can keep this pace. She's like, Hey Jason, I'm doing great, Becky, let's go lying out. my teeth. And uh, so yeah, we're running and you know, She, just gets that step ahead, mile two, and then sure enough, you know, by mile three or something, she's off in the distance. And then by mile. I'm like, okay. I wonder what Becky's up to. She's probably at the finish line right now, probably, you know, enjoying a beverage or something and mile five. I'm like I miss Becky, you know, I wish Becky were here and mile six, the pain is setting in and people are coming from behind me. And I'm just like, how many more minutes. is this? And I'm still running like fast, you know, too fast, more than I was comfortable with. And I remember actually got a picture of Becky too. I stopped to take a picture of Becky high five and on the way it was super great. The city was in the background and the bay was right there. Super cool. And but Yeah. as soon as I crossed that finish line, it's a PR for me too. So, you know, to her credit, she broke me, but I also got a PR that day. But I'm not recommending it to anybody stay your, your pace, your race. So, no, I kind of had to tell it, you know, JP's version. Cause you know, it happened on air last time, so. Bertrand Newson: Good stuff. Good stuff. Kevin Chang: Sometimes your friends pushing you to a PR, I mean, those are step function, changes. You know, those, those types of things, you don't realize what your body can do until you've got somebody there pushing you along the way. And then, and then you, sometimes you realize new PRS and then afterwards, sometimes you realize your body can do something a lot more than you thought it could. So kudos to you guys pushing each other. That's that's fantastic. That is awesome. Jason Peevyhouse: Okay. Bertrand Newson: I can't can't we cannot let this episode go by without this gentleman being recognized for as many times as he has paid it forward to the running community, from sharing his own knowledge, his, his learning gains from workout tools how to, how to increase mobility, but also in pacing, others during races. Fantastic, true gentleman, a true ambassador to the sport. And I, I couldn't let you off the hook and how you've inspired young minds and students as well, JP, um, And then participating in endurance events and incorporating it into the classroom good stuff. And that's what our, our youth needs. During this time is a love of staying active as a way of therapy to navigate, you know, the, the current time. So we salute you. Jason Peevyhouse: Absolutely. Thank you. Yeah, it's a great group of people. I'm honored to be here and demand. It makes it easy to give back when everyone's still giving. So appreciate it you all. 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